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	<title>Comments on: Fighting&#8211;er, I mean debating about homebirth</title>
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		<title>By: Emilia</title>
		<link>http://www.rationalmoms.com/2009/07/28/fighting-er-i-mean-debating-about-homebirth/comment-page-1/#comment-2993</link>
		<dc:creator>Emilia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other tip: getting parenting tips from Amy Tuteur is like calling up the spirit of John Candy or Chris Farley for dieting tips!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other tip: getting parenting tips from Amy Tuteur is like calling up the spirit of John Candy or Chris Farley for dieting tips!</p>
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		<title>By: Emilia</title>
		<link>http://www.rationalmoms.com/2009/07/28/fighting-er-i-mean-debating-about-homebirth/comment-page-1/#comment-2457</link>
		<dc:creator>Emilia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 05:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other thing about Amy Tuteur: she herself admits she has one child on the autistic spectrum (Asperger&#039;s) and another with severe learning disabilities. I suspect that Amy Tuteur is unhappy with her family life and therefore tries to make herself feel better by attacking other families (specifically same-sex and single parent ones) and look &quot;superior&quot; to them.  So perhaps we should pity rather than condemn her.

Let me add that by no means are all parents with autistic or otherwise disabled children like this.  In fact, many I know are among the most compassionate people around.  Sometimes children with a disability can bring out either the best or worst of human nature - and Amy Tuteur has shown which side she falls on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing about Amy Tuteur: she herself admits she has one child on the autistic spectrum (Asperger&#8217;s) and another with severe learning disabilities. I suspect that Amy Tuteur is unhappy with her family life and therefore tries to make herself feel better by attacking other families (specifically same-sex and single parent ones) and look &#8220;superior&#8221; to them.  So perhaps we should pity rather than condemn her.</p>
<p>Let me add that by no means are all parents with autistic or otherwise disabled children like this.  In fact, many I know are among the most compassionate people around.  Sometimes children with a disability can bring out either the best or worst of human nature &#8211; and Amy Tuteur has shown which side she falls on.</p>
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		<title>By: Trusted.MD Network</title>
		<link>http://www.rationalmoms.com/2009/07/28/fighting-er-i-mean-debating-about-homebirth/comment-page-1/#comment-2201</link>
		<dc:creator>Trusted.MD Network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 01:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Underground Moms...&lt;/strong&gt;

I guess I&#039;d have to say I am an underground grandmother, as my youngest will turn 21 in December. But I was definitely a free-range mother, and do what I can to support my two stepsons &amp; daughters-in-law in fear-free......</description>
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<p>I guess I&#8217;d have to say I am an underground grandmother, as my youngest will turn 21 in December. But I was definitely a free-range mother, and do what I can to support my two stepsons &amp; daughters-in-law in fear-free&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Emilia</title>
		<link>http://www.rationalmoms.com/2009/07/28/fighting-er-i-mean-debating-about-homebirth/comment-page-1/#comment-1926</link>
		<dc:creator>Emilia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think endorsement of an individual like Amy Tuteur on a site calling itself &quot;Rational Moms&quot; is a bit like a website on evolution endorsing a creationist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think endorsement of an individual like Amy Tuteur on a site calling itself &#8220;Rational Moms&#8221; is a bit like a website on evolution endorsing a creationist.</p>
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		<title>By: Emilia</title>
		<link>http://www.rationalmoms.com/2009/07/28/fighting-er-i-mean-debating-about-homebirth/comment-page-1/#comment-1901</link>
		<dc:creator>Emilia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 03:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding home birth, I&#039;ve never had any strong opinion on it or any interest in undergoing it myself (and now it would be totally out of the question for me because I&#039;ve had a cesarean, though in the small likelihood I get pregnant again I might try for a vaginal birth in hospital).  On the other hand, some studies in places like the Netherlands and Britain show that home birth can be safe if: 1.) the woman is not at high risk for complications (ex. conditions like a twin pregnancy or gestational diabetes would make home birth highly inadvisable); 2.) the birth attendant is highly trained (as midwives in the UK and Holland are); and 3.) if there is efficient transportation to a hospital if complications arise.  Again, I have no personal stake in defending home birth and even if I could met the three above-mentioned criteria I probably wouldn&#039;t give birth outside a hospital, but just a point to consider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding home birth, I&#8217;ve never had any strong opinion on it or any interest in undergoing it myself (and now it would be totally out of the question for me because I&#8217;ve had a cesarean, though in the small likelihood I get pregnant again I might try for a vaginal birth in hospital).  On the other hand, some studies in places like the Netherlands and Britain show that home birth can be safe if: 1.) the woman is not at high risk for complications (ex. conditions like a twin pregnancy or gestational diabetes would make home birth highly inadvisable); 2.) the birth attendant is highly trained (as midwives in the UK and Holland are); and 3.) if there is efficient transportation to a hospital if complications arise.  Again, I have no personal stake in defending home birth and even if I could met the three above-mentioned criteria I probably wouldn&#8217;t give birth outside a hospital, but just a point to consider.</p>
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		<title>By: Emilia</title>
		<link>http://www.rationalmoms.com/2009/07/28/fighting-er-i-mean-debating-about-homebirth/comment-page-1/#comment-1900</link>
		<dc:creator>Emilia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 03:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I looked at a study showing that children of gay parents were less likely to be aggressive than children of heterosexual parents.  I remember Amy Tuteur said that once as a resident she threatened to break the arm of an old woman with dementia she was assigned to in hospital.  Hm... maybe she doesn&#039;t like same-sex families becasue the kids in them will never threaten to break anyone&#039;s arm!  (By the way, I&#039;m 100% heterosexual.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked at a study showing that children of gay parents were less likely to be aggressive than children of heterosexual parents.  I remember Amy Tuteur said that once as a resident she threatened to break the arm of an old woman with dementia she was assigned to in hospital.  Hm&#8230; maybe she doesn&#8217;t like same-sex families becasue the kids in them will never threaten to break anyone&#8217;s arm!  (By the way, I&#8217;m 100% heterosexual.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jodie Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.rationalmoms.com/2009/07/28/fighting-er-i-mean-debating-about-homebirth/comment-page-1/#comment-1886</link>
		<dc:creator>Jodie Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in Australia too, and my children were born both in a birth centre and at home with competent and experienced midwives.  I happen to think that the place of birth is irrelevant to birth outcomes at the population level, but it is how the individual mother &lt;i&gt;feels&lt;/i&gt; about the place of birth that overwhelmingly affects her birth&#039;s outcomes.  Home birth is a choice on an equal par with birth centre or hospital birth, and every woman has a right to that choice.  No one is entitled to &lt;i&gt;an opinion&lt;/i&gt; on that choice.  It is, and should simply be, choice.  

In the case of some women it is bound to be &#039;safer&#039; (due to feeling comfortable and &#039;letting go&#039; that is a necessary part of the process of birthing) and some women will have conditions present that complicate their risk profile whether they birth in a hospital or at home.  It is still THEIR choice to make and it costs LESS on the public purse than the obstetric equivalent in the majority of cases.

No single person&#039;s opinion is going to affect my knowledge of my own body in the intimacy of my own environment.  If we stop thinking of hospital birth as the norm, handing birth choices (and education) back to women and giving space to every woman&#039;s unique and individual needs in the vulnerability of childbirth is the &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; way to reduce the caesarean rate and give babies an optimal first meeting with their families.

I was once involved in grass roots birth reform at a local level.  Now it is being debated in the Australian Parliament.  I cannot understand how properly regulated home birth with competent midwives is not a basic right.  The fact that this is even being debated on various fora and at high levels of government bodes well for my daughter&#039;s choices, when their time comes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in Australia too, and my children were born both in a birth centre and at home with competent and experienced midwives.  I happen to think that the place of birth is irrelevant to birth outcomes at the population level, but it is how the individual mother <i>feels</i> about the place of birth that overwhelmingly affects her birth&#8217;s outcomes.  Home birth is a choice on an equal par with birth centre or hospital birth, and every woman has a right to that choice.  No one is entitled to <i>an opinion</i> on that choice.  It is, and should simply be, choice.  </p>
<p>In the case of some women it is bound to be &#8217;safer&#8217; (due to feeling comfortable and &#8216;letting go&#8217; that is a necessary part of the process of birthing) and some women will have conditions present that complicate their risk profile whether they birth in a hospital or at home.  It is still THEIR choice to make and it costs LESS on the public purse than the obstetric equivalent in the majority of cases.</p>
<p>No single person&#8217;s opinion is going to affect my knowledge of my own body in the intimacy of my own environment.  If we stop thinking of hospital birth as the norm, handing birth choices (and education) back to women and giving space to every woman&#8217;s unique and individual needs in the vulnerability of childbirth is the <i>only</i> way to reduce the caesarean rate and give babies an optimal first meeting with their families.</p>
<p>I was once involved in grass roots birth reform at a local level.  Now it is being debated in the Australian Parliament.  I cannot understand how properly regulated home birth with competent midwives is not a basic right.  The fact that this is even being debated on various fora and at high levels of government bodes well for my daughter&#8217;s choices, when their time comes.</p>
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		<title>By: Candace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Candace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 01:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting that Amy&#039;s information is counter to every single reliable source...even associations of physicians that have come out with clear statements against home births.

If she holds her own it is only because most rational people have just given up on engaging her and prefer instead to debate those who play by the rules of logic, factual information, and sanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting that Amy&#8217;s information is counter to every single reliable source&#8230;even associations of physicians that have come out with clear statements against home births.</p>
<p>If she holds her own it is only because most rational people have just given up on engaging her and prefer instead to debate those who play by the rules of logic, factual information, and sanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin Ellis</title>
		<link>http://www.rationalmoms.com/2009/07/28/fighting-er-i-mean-debating-about-homebirth/comment-page-1/#comment-1859</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with Amy&#039;s arguments is that she tailors information to suit her side, often misrepresenting the evidence she cites. She has an agenda, clearly, and is willing to bend the evidence to that end. Unfortunately most people without statistical and epidemiological skill will not catch on to this, and view her arguments with trusting approval. 

Looking beyond single voices on the subject, and toward international maternal and infant health organizations and experts--who are not competitors of midwives--the consensus is crystal clear: midwives are the most appropriate care providers for low-risk women in all settings-home, birth center, hospital.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with Amy&#8217;s arguments is that she tailors information to suit her side, often misrepresenting the evidence she cites. She has an agenda, clearly, and is willing to bend the evidence to that end. Unfortunately most people without statistical and epidemiological skill will not catch on to this, and view her arguments with trusting approval. </p>
<p>Looking beyond single voices on the subject, and toward international maternal and infant health organizations and experts&#8211;who are not competitors of midwives&#8211;the consensus is crystal clear: midwives are the most appropriate care providers for low-risk women in all settings-home, birth center, hospital.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, clearly I have not read every post of hers, and I agree her opinions on these subjects are pretty offensive, if you&#039;re someone like me.  From the link you provided:

&lt;blockquote&gt;It is morally imperative for women to recognize that if marriage is unappealing or inconvenient, they shouldn’t be having children. It doesn’t matter how much they want them, and it doesn’t matter that they can financially provide for them. A child is owed a father, and any woman who is unable or unwilling to provide one is making a self indulgent, selfish choice to conceive a child.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Um, what?   She says in that post that on every measurable parameter of child well being, kids with fathers do better.  But she doesn&#039;t cite any sources for that opinion.  I must admit I really can&#039;t stand that particular opinion.  We&#039;re a two parent family, but I fully support any woman who decides to become a single mother by choice.  I was almost there myself a couple years ago.

I have to agree that for me personally, the revelation of her ideological position on those issues somehow casts doubt upon her reasoning in general.  Perhaps I&#039;m particularly biased in this regard, because I feel so strongly that gay parents and single moms do fine.  If there are studies that show that kids are harmed by these arrangements, I&#039;d first of all wonder who commissioned the studies and what agenda was behind them.

In any case, I&#039;ve only read her posts on homebirth, and I still think on that subject, she&#039;s pretty cogent.  If women want to give birth at home, that&#039;s their choice, but movies like The Business of Being Born really do a disservice to mothers by presenting homebirth as the safer option.  It seems to me that if you want to make that choice, it&#039;s best to be informed about the actual risks.  But certainly I can see that her staunch stand on other moral issues might make her a bit of a reprehensible personality to many.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, clearly I have not read every post of hers, and I agree her opinions on these subjects are pretty offensive, if you&#8217;re someone like me.  From the link you provided:</p>
<blockquote><p>It is morally imperative for women to recognize that if marriage is unappealing or inconvenient, they shouldn’t be having children. It doesn’t matter how much they want them, and it doesn’t matter that they can financially provide for them. A child is owed a father, and any woman who is unable or unwilling to provide one is making a self indulgent, selfish choice to conceive a child.</p></blockquote>
<p>Um, what?   She says in that post that on every measurable parameter of child well being, kids with fathers do better.  But she doesn&#8217;t cite any sources for that opinion.  I must admit I really can&#8217;t stand that particular opinion.  We&#8217;re a two parent family, but I fully support any woman who decides to become a single mother by choice.  I was almost there myself a couple years ago.</p>
<p>I have to agree that for me personally, the revelation of her ideological position on those issues somehow casts doubt upon her reasoning in general.  Perhaps I&#8217;m particularly biased in this regard, because I feel so strongly that gay parents and single moms do fine.  If there are studies that show that kids are harmed by these arrangements, I&#8217;d first of all wonder who commissioned the studies and what agenda was behind them.</p>
<p>In any case, I&#8217;ve only read her posts on homebirth, and I still think on that subject, she&#8217;s pretty cogent.  If women want to give birth at home, that&#8217;s their choice, but movies like The Business of Being Born really do a disservice to mothers by presenting homebirth as the safer option.  It seems to me that if you want to make that choice, it&#8217;s best to be informed about the actual risks.  But certainly I can see that her staunch stand on other moral issues might make her a bit of a reprehensible personality to many.</p>
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