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		<title>By: Timothy Mills</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Mills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s important to note that, even if there *were* a spoken-language delay associated with using signs, that isn&#039;t necessarily a reason to avoid them.  After all, I understand that spoken-language bilingual kids can be a little slower at acquiring words in either of their languages than monolingual kids; but the evidence shows that they may ultimately have some cognitive advantages over monolingual kids (as I mentioned above).

In other words, early delays don&#039;t necessarily translate into a meaningful disadvantage for kids.

Of course, if there is no such delay for sign language, the issue is moot.

A cute anecdote (not related to the empirical merits of signing):

We had a delightful period when my daughter was learning animal sounds (before she really had words as such), and she was also learning basic signs.  She kind of mangled the gesture for drink so it looked just like the gesture she made for elephant (miming having a trunk).  We only knew the difference because the cup gesture had no sound, and the elephant gesture had a sort of roar accompanying it.

Now (at 20 months), she&#039;s pretty much exclusively verbal rather than gestural, except for the more universal gestures like pointing and waving goodbye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s important to note that, even if there *were* a spoken-language delay associated with using signs, that isn&#8217;t necessarily a reason to avoid them.  After all, I understand that spoken-language bilingual kids can be a little slower at acquiring words in either of their languages than monolingual kids; but the evidence shows that they may ultimately have some cognitive advantages over monolingual kids (as I mentioned above).</p>
<p>In other words, early delays don&#8217;t necessarily translate into a meaningful disadvantage for kids.</p>
<p>Of course, if there is no such delay for sign language, the issue is moot.</p>
<p>A cute anecdote (not related to the empirical merits of signing):</p>
<p>We had a delightful period when my daughter was learning animal sounds (before she really had words as such), and she was also learning basic signs.  She kind of mangled the gesture for drink so it looked just like the gesture she made for elephant (miming having a trunk).  We only knew the difference because the cup gesture had no sound, and the elephant gesture had a sort of roar accompanying it.</p>
<p>Now (at 20 months), she&#8217;s pretty much exclusively verbal rather than gestural, except for the more universal gestures like pointing and waving goodbye.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*who now still has
*He was resistant to using it
*18 months I started requiring

Some day I will learn to proofread</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*who now still has<br />
*He was resistant to using it<br />
*18 months I started requiring</p>
<p>Some day I will learn to proofread</p>
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		<title>By: Stacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sign has been used for decades with those suffering a severe speech issue. I grew up seeing my aunt and uncle and cousin sign with my other cousin who has a severe case of cerebral palsy and could not speak for a long time, and who know still has a significant &quot;accent&quot; that requires some practice on the part of the listener to understand. It is my understanding that introducing sign before kids can speak works because the neural development in the brain typically focuses on the gross muscle required for sign before the fine motor required to produce clear speech. I think the language center in the brain may also develop after the center used for symbol recognition, hence simple nouns being functional early.

My son was taught basic sign very early. He was resistant to use it, despite giving indications he understood and could even replicate it. At 18 months I stated requiring he use &quot;milk&quot; (which we knew he was capable of) before nursing, and he stubbornly opted to wean instead. By age 2.5 he started inventing his own signs (like poking a finger into a fist for &quot;ice cream cone&quot; - ah, the tribulations of a toddler inventing his own symbols!), and when we were lucky we&#039;d figure them out and adopt them, but often, we were left just as baffled as before. 

He&#039;s 3.5 now and still not using English effectively. He&#039;s got the intonation and tonalities down, he babbles at us constantly and even quotes/sings along with movies. But the consonants aren&#039;t there, and he often &quot;invents&quot; words. For &quot;more&quot; he has persistently tried to use &quot;siu&quot;, for &quot;mom&quot; he uses &quot;da-deh&quot; or &quot;da&quot; for short, &quot;dad&quot; is &quot;guy&quot;, &quot;cat&quot; is &quot;Autumn&quot; (the name of our feline slow and dumb enough for him to pester), flying vehicles real and imaginary are &quot;coo&quot; (truncated &quot;helicopter&quot;? Maybe?). He does have &quot;real&quot; words as well - car, movie, TV, down, home, ball, no, etc. (&quot;Yes&quot; he only signs, though he will verbalize &quot;uh huh&quot;.) He seems to understand the value of speaking to communicate. He doesn&#039;t seem to agree with our opinion that using ENGLISH to speak is necessarily the best option.

With his speech being as spotty as it is, I can&#039;t imagine the kind of frustrated we&#039;d all be if he didn&#039;t have sign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sign has been used for decades with those suffering a severe speech issue. I grew up seeing my aunt and uncle and cousin sign with my other cousin who has a severe case of cerebral palsy and could not speak for a long time, and who know still has a significant &#8220;accent&#8221; that requires some practice on the part of the listener to understand. It is my understanding that introducing sign before kids can speak works because the neural development in the brain typically focuses on the gross muscle required for sign before the fine motor required to produce clear speech. I think the language center in the brain may also develop after the center used for symbol recognition, hence simple nouns being functional early.</p>
<p>My son was taught basic sign very early. He was resistant to use it, despite giving indications he understood and could even replicate it. At 18 months I stated requiring he use &#8220;milk&#8221; (which we knew he was capable of) before nursing, and he stubbornly opted to wean instead. By age 2.5 he started inventing his own signs (like poking a finger into a fist for &#8220;ice cream cone&#8221; &#8211; ah, the tribulations of a toddler inventing his own symbols!), and when we were lucky we&#8217;d figure them out and adopt them, but often, we were left just as baffled as before. </p>
<p>He&#8217;s 3.5 now and still not using English effectively. He&#8217;s got the intonation and tonalities down, he babbles at us constantly and even quotes/sings along with movies. But the consonants aren&#8217;t there, and he often &#8220;invents&#8221; words. For &#8220;more&#8221; he has persistently tried to use &#8220;siu&#8221;, for &#8220;mom&#8221; he uses &#8220;da-deh&#8221; or &#8220;da&#8221; for short, &#8220;dad&#8221; is &#8220;guy&#8221;, &#8220;cat&#8221; is &#8220;Autumn&#8221; (the name of our feline slow and dumb enough for him to pester), flying vehicles real and imaginary are &#8220;coo&#8221; (truncated &#8220;helicopter&#8221;? Maybe?). He does have &#8220;real&#8221; words as well &#8211; car, movie, TV, down, home, ball, no, etc. (&#8221;Yes&#8221; he only signs, though he will verbalize &#8220;uh huh&#8221;.) He seems to understand the value of speaking to communicate. He doesn&#8217;t seem to agree with our opinion that using ENGLISH to speak is necessarily the best option.</p>
<p>With his speech being as spotty as it is, I can&#8217;t imagine the kind of frustrated we&#8217;d all be if he didn&#8217;t have sign.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our daycare center uses the signs.  Our son hasn&#039;t learned any of them, but at one, he can say a few words and he babbles incessantly.  He doesn&#039;t point, either, but he has his own set of gestures that work pretty effectively.  He also will not do that &quot;sooo big&quot; baby trick.  He&#039;s just not into the sign thing at all.

I think the idea of &quot;delay&quot; is interesting, when some kids just do things a little differently.  My husband&#039;s mother was a speech teacher.  She gave my husband a test when he was little to see how he was developing.  He scored borderline retarded.  A week later he was speaking in full sentences.  He graduated from an Ivy League school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our daycare center uses the signs.  Our son hasn&#8217;t learned any of them, but at one, he can say a few words and he babbles incessantly.  He doesn&#8217;t point, either, but he has his own set of gestures that work pretty effectively.  He also will not do that &#8220;sooo big&#8221; baby trick.  He&#8217;s just not into the sign thing at all.</p>
<p>I think the idea of &#8220;delay&#8221; is interesting, when some kids just do things a little differently.  My husband&#8217;s mother was a speech teacher.  She gave my husband a test when he was little to see how he was developing.  He scored borderline retarded.  A week later he was speaking in full sentences.  He graduated from an Ivy League school.</p>
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		<title>By: teacherninja</title>
		<link>http://www.rationalmoms.com/2009/06/11/baby-sign-language/comment-page-1/#comment-1495</link>
		<dc:creator>teacherninja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We used this with our baby (now 6) early on and she picked up a few--but essential signs--that just made everything easier.  She used the &quot;more&quot; sign to usually indicate food, the &quot;finished&quot; sign and others.  I think it was the reason we had very few temper tantrums.  Even when she could talk, she would still do a few automatically, like &quot;thank you.&quot;  I remember getting her ice cream once, after she could talk, and she signed thank you to the lady behind the counter.  &quot;Aw, is she deaf?&quot;  Then she spoke up, &quot;No!  Thant&#039;s just how I say thanks!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We used this with our baby (now 6) early on and she picked up a few&#8211;but essential signs&#8211;that just made everything easier.  She used the &#8220;more&#8221; sign to usually indicate food, the &#8220;finished&#8221; sign and others.  I think it was the reason we had very few temper tantrums.  Even when she could talk, she would still do a few automatically, like &#8220;thank you.&#8221;  I remember getting her ice cream once, after she could talk, and she signed thank you to the lady behind the counter.  &#8220;Aw, is she deaf?&#8221;  Then she spoke up, &#8220;No!  Thant&#8217;s just how I say thanks!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sweetie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sweetie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other thing to remember is that some people fear that teaching toddlers to sign will delay the onset of actual speech.  But this is usually based on anecdotal evidence, not rational studies.

From: http://smartbabysignlanguage.blogspot.com/2008/11/will-baby-sign-delay-speech-development.html

&quot;In 1999, Dr. Kimberlee Whaley published the results of her study of hearing infants communicating with sign language in an Ohio State laboratory daycare...  The study found that learning baby sign did not slow the children&#039;s speech.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other thing to remember is that some people fear that teaching toddlers to sign will delay the onset of actual speech.  But this is usually based on anecdotal evidence, not rational studies.</p>
<p>From: <a href="http://smartbabysignlanguage.blogspot.com/2008/11/will-baby-sign-delay-speech-development.html" rel="nofollow">http://smartbabysignlanguage.blogspot.com/2008/11/will-baby-sign-delay-speech-development.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;In 1999, Dr. Kimberlee Whaley published the results of her study of hearing infants communicating with sign language in an Ohio State laboratory daycare&#8230;  The study found that learning baby sign did not slow the children&#8217;s speech.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kristin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did research into baby sign language when I was pregnant with my first.  Despite cries from our family and friends that our son would never learn to talk if he could sign, we started teaching him when he was a year old.  He picked it up incredibly quickly and it was a lifesaver for me!  at 18 months he started talking more, and now at 2, he won&#039;t shut up.  One thing we did find when he was learning to talk was that we needed to distinguish between &quot;whats the sign for&quot; and &quot;how do you say&quot; when trying to get him to verbalize his needs.  I&#039;m pregnant with my second now, and plan on starting the signing even earlier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did research into baby sign language when I was pregnant with my first.  Despite cries from our family and friends that our son would never learn to talk if he could sign, we started teaching him when he was a year old.  He picked it up incredibly quickly and it was a lifesaver for me!  at 18 months he started talking more, and now at 2, he won&#8217;t shut up.  One thing we did find when he was learning to talk was that we needed to distinguish between &#8220;whats the sign for&#8221; and &#8220;how do you say&#8221; when trying to get him to verbalize his needs.  I&#8217;m pregnant with my second now, and plan on starting the signing even earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Mills</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Mills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anecdotally, I have to agree with you.  Regardless of what you call it - language, &quot;set of symbolic gestures&quot;, etc - there are tangible benefits to being able to communicate earlier with you child than you would otherwise.  My little ape doesn&#039;t have any appreciable spoken-language delay, but even she was able to communicate important concepts (mostly food-related) far earlier via signs than words.

I have heard, from colleagues whose specialty is closer to the topic (I&#039;m a linguist, but don&#039;t study child language acquisition), that the &quot;bilingual advantage&quot; (the cognitive benefits to people of growing up bilingual) does not work the same in &quot;bimodal bilingualism&quot;.  That is, kids who know two spoken languages have more of an advantage than kids who know a spoken and a gestural language.  I don&#039;t know the research first-hand, though, so I can&#039;t give more details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anecdotally, I have to agree with you.  Regardless of what you call it &#8211; language, &#8220;set of symbolic gestures&#8221;, etc &#8211; there are tangible benefits to being able to communicate earlier with you child than you would otherwise.  My little ape doesn&#8217;t have any appreciable spoken-language delay, but even she was able to communicate important concepts (mostly food-related) far earlier via signs than words.</p>
<p>I have heard, from colleagues whose specialty is closer to the topic (I&#8217;m a linguist, but don&#8217;t study child language acquisition), that the &#8220;bilingual advantage&#8221; (the cognitive benefits to people of growing up bilingual) does not work the same in &#8220;bimodal bilingualism&#8221;.  That is, kids who know two spoken languages have more of an advantage than kids who know a spoken and a gestural language.  I don&#8217;t know the research first-hand, though, so I can&#8217;t give more details.</p>
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		<title>By: Dash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An eerily similar experience here, our little skeptic had a speech production problem and invented her own language full of weird made-up compound words and sounds.  We used natural signs and it was brilliant.  We&#039;ve started straight away with number 2, and while she has no words at 13 months she has 4 signs that she uses appropriately.  It&#039;s great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An eerily similar experience here, our little skeptic had a speech production problem and invented her own language full of weird made-up compound words and sounds.  We used natural signs and it was brilliant.  We&#8217;ve started straight away with number 2, and while she has no words at 13 months she has 4 signs that she uses appropriately.  It&#8217;s great.</p>
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