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		<title>By: Scarlett</title>
		<link>http://www.rationalmoms.com/2008/12/05/the-santa-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-621</link>
		<dc:creator>Scarlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, when I have children...I do not want them to believe in Santa Claus.
Sure the Holidays are fun and such and we can have nice, fun family activities, but I&#039;d like for them not to do the whole Santa thing.

Why?

To be quiet blunt, I don&#039;t want a nonexistent fat man to take credit for my hard work and money. I want my children to appreciate the things we give them and to understand the reason behind it.

You can still be creative, imaginative, and etc without Santa Claus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, when I have children&#8230;I do not want them to believe in Santa Claus.<br />
Sure the Holidays are fun and such and we can have nice, fun family activities, but I&#8217;d like for them not to do the whole Santa thing.</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>To be quiet blunt, I don&#8217;t want a nonexistent fat man to take credit for my hard work and money. I want my children to appreciate the things we give them and to understand the reason behind it.</p>
<p>You can still be creative, imaginative, and etc without Santa Claus.</p>
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		<title>By: The Meming of Life &#187; Santa Claus &#8212; The Ultimate Dry Run Parenting Beyond Belief on secular parenting and other natural wonders</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Meming of Life &#187; Santa Claus &#8212; The Ultimate Dry Run Parenting Beyond Belief on secular parenting and other natural wonders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Q&amp;A was the Santa thing &#8212; and it&#8217;s so clearly in the air, from Friendly Atheist to Rational Moms, that I can&#8217;t even wait &#8217;til Wednesday to chime in. I threw in my two bits on pp. 87-90 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Q&#38;A was the Santa thing &#8212; and it&#8217;s so clearly in the air, from Friendly Atheist to Rational Moms, that I can&#8217;t even wait &#8217;til Wednesday to chime in. I threw in my two bits on pp. 87-90 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: brainheartinfusion</title>
		<link>http://www.rationalmoms.com/2008/12/05/the-santa-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-422</link>
		<dc:creator>brainheartinfusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our children are 2 and 1 so not a big deal yet.  But our tentative plans are to treat Santa like we treat our kid&#039;s favorite character: Barney.  I don&#039;t tell my children that there is really a man in that dinosaur suit.  I let them experience and have fun with it as much as they can at this age.  I don&#039;t tell them to be good b/c Barney is watching them.  I think Santa can go like this.  Let them watch the christmas movies and see Santa.  I guess they will make it into what they want it to be.  If my children end up really getting into the myth, I will probably play along.  If they ask me questions, I hope to encourage critical thinking, without telling them what to think.   Who knows, I haven&#039;t even mastered potty training yet.  
BHI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our children are 2 and 1 so not a big deal yet.  But our tentative plans are to treat Santa like we treat our kid&#8217;s favorite character: Barney.  I don&#8217;t tell my children that there is really a man in that dinosaur suit.  I let them experience and have fun with it as much as they can at this age.  I don&#8217;t tell them to be good b/c Barney is watching them.  I think Santa can go like this.  Let them watch the christmas movies and see Santa.  I guess they will make it into what they want it to be.  If my children end up really getting into the myth, I will probably play along.  If they ask me questions, I hope to encourage critical thinking, without telling them what to think.   Who knows, I haven&#8217;t even mastered potty training yet.<br />
BHI</p>
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		<title>By: Not an aetheist</title>
		<link>http://www.rationalmoms.com/2008/12/05/the-santa-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-392</link>
		<dc:creator>Not an aetheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe we definitely should not lie to our kids, especially about religious matters.  I am sure they would be very sad when they find out that what they believed in all along was not true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe we definitely should not lie to our kids, especially about religious matters.  I am sure they would be very sad when they find out that what they believed in all along was not true.</p>
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		<title>By: JSug</title>
		<link>http://www.rationalmoms.com/2008/12/05/the-santa-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-370</link>
		<dc:creator>JSug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve actually been thinking about this a lot recently, because our son is almost 3 and this is the first year he&#039;s really excited about Christmas.  My wife wanted to do the whole Santa thing, but since I&#039;ve been doing a lot of self-examination lately about beliefs and skepticism, I was more on the fence.  Eventually I gave in.  The thing is, my wife&#039;s mother, a very fundamentalist Christian, never allowed her to believe in Santa.  She was told at a very young age, in no uncertain terms, that Santa was a myth that distracted from the proper focus on the birth of Christ.  I&#039;ll give her props for consistency, but the result was that my wife has always felt a little cheated out of her childhood fantasy life.

On the other hand, my folks, both atheists, let us have the fantasy when we were little.  We did the tray of cookies and glass of milk for Santa, and I once suggested we leave a carrot for Rudolph, which started a whole new tradition.  The tooth fairy left us a quarter, and the Easter Bunny left written clues that led us on a treasure hunt, at the end of which was a big basket of goodies.  Now, being a very inquisitive child, I figured things out pretty early on.  I&#039;m pretty sure I had outed Santa by the time I was 5 or 6, and the rest followed pretty quickly.  But I still played along, because it was fun.

So yes, I&#039;ll let my son believe in Santa for as long as he likes.  Of course, I&#039;m not going to take extreme measures to persist the myth.  The moment he starts asking questions, I&#039;ll be happy to sit down with him, and help him examine the evidence so he can come to his own conclusion.  And now that I think about it, it makes sense as a lesson in how much trust to put in your sources of information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve actually been thinking about this a lot recently, because our son is almost 3 and this is the first year he&#8217;s really excited about Christmas.  My wife wanted to do the whole Santa thing, but since I&#8217;ve been doing a lot of self-examination lately about beliefs and skepticism, I was more on the fence.  Eventually I gave in.  The thing is, my wife&#8217;s mother, a very fundamentalist Christian, never allowed her to believe in Santa.  She was told at a very young age, in no uncertain terms, that Santa was a myth that distracted from the proper focus on the birth of Christ.  I&#8217;ll give her props for consistency, but the result was that my wife has always felt a little cheated out of her childhood fantasy life.</p>
<p>On the other hand, my folks, both atheists, let us have the fantasy when we were little.  We did the tray of cookies and glass of milk for Santa, and I once suggested we leave a carrot for Rudolph, which started a whole new tradition.  The tooth fairy left us a quarter, and the Easter Bunny left written clues that led us on a treasure hunt, at the end of which was a big basket of goodies.  Now, being a very inquisitive child, I figured things out pretty early on.  I&#8217;m pretty sure I had outed Santa by the time I was 5 or 6, and the rest followed pretty quickly.  But I still played along, because it was fun.</p>
<p>So yes, I&#8217;ll let my son believe in Santa for as long as he likes.  Of course, I&#8217;m not going to take extreme measures to persist the myth.  The moment he starts asking questions, I&#8217;ll be happy to sit down with him, and help him examine the evidence so he can come to his own conclusion.  And now that I think about it, it makes sense as a lesson in how much trust to put in your sources of information.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob A</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t do Santa. I just couldn&#039;t bring myself to lie about it. We&#039;re not complete killjoys: we don&#039;t say, &#039;There is no Santa!&#039; We just don&#039;t make a big deal about xmas presents coming from him. Our eldest is 5 and said the other day, &quot;Farmer Christmas is not really real is he?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t do Santa. I just couldn&#8217;t bring myself to lie about it. We&#8217;re not complete killjoys: we don&#8217;t say, &#8216;There is no Santa!&#8217; We just don&#8217;t make a big deal about xmas presents coming from him. Our eldest is 5 and said the other day, &#8220;Farmer Christmas is not really real is he?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We did the Santa thing with our daughter, mostly because we have fond memories of it from our respective childhoods, and all her friends were into it, so we thought it couldn&#039;t hurt. When she figured out the truth, inadvertently revealed by one of my older sisters&#039; kids, the poor kid felt absolutely betrayed. &quot;Why would you lie?&quot; she wailed, over and over again. Honestly, I never expected that response. But that&#039;s what we got, for the better part of a week: &quot;Why would you lie? Why would a grown-up lie to a kid? It&#039;s just mean, Mom! Mean!&quot; She was seven years old at the time.

I was devastated. She had a very definite understanding of fantasy vs. reality, but could not understand why in a million years we, her loving parents who encourage critical thinking and skepticism at every turn, would have done such a horrible thing to her. It very nearly ruined that particular holiday season for us all, but somehow we got through it. Within a few days she had puzzled out the Tooth Fairy, too, and the Easter Bunny (who brings spring-related, nonreligious goodies to our house every year). I felt like the Worst Mom Ever.

But not long after that, when she realized that the gifts she had most treasured from Santa had actually come from us, the gratitude was immeasurable. She made thank-you cards for gifts received for many Christmases Past. She even apologized for asking Santa for a particularly expensive and hard-to-find gift, knowing Mom and Dad wouldn&#039;t have gotten it for her. &quot;Santa will get it, Mom,&quot; she had said at the time, &quot;because I know you can&#039;t.&quot; When she did get the gift, Santa got the thanks, not us. But she made up for it in droves.

She&#039;s now nine and knows exactly where the gifts come from. But the fun of the season isn&#039;t lost, since she has lots of younger cousins who fervently believe. Now that she&#039;s in on the secret, I think it&#039;s even more enjoyable for her.

Do I still feel terrible for that horrible realization from two years ago? Yes, actually, I do. We had encouraged critical thinking and skepticism in her, but somehow she had come to trust us, her parents, implicitly. It wasn&#039;t the loss of Santa that bothered me and bothers me still. It was the loss of innocence that I mourned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We did the Santa thing with our daughter, mostly because we have fond memories of it from our respective childhoods, and all her friends were into it, so we thought it couldn&#8217;t hurt. When she figured out the truth, inadvertently revealed by one of my older sisters&#8217; kids, the poor kid felt absolutely betrayed. &#8220;Why would you lie?&#8221; she wailed, over and over again. Honestly, I never expected that response. But that&#8217;s what we got, for the better part of a week: &#8220;Why would you lie? Why would a grown-up lie to a kid? It&#8217;s just mean, Mom! Mean!&#8221; She was seven years old at the time.</p>
<p>I was devastated. She had a very definite understanding of fantasy vs. reality, but could not understand why in a million years we, her loving parents who encourage critical thinking and skepticism at every turn, would have done such a horrible thing to her. It very nearly ruined that particular holiday season for us all, but somehow we got through it. Within a few days she had puzzled out the Tooth Fairy, too, and the Easter Bunny (who brings spring-related, nonreligious goodies to our house every year). I felt like the Worst Mom Ever.</p>
<p>But not long after that, when she realized that the gifts she had most treasured from Santa had actually come from us, the gratitude was immeasurable. She made thank-you cards for gifts received for many Christmases Past. She even apologized for asking Santa for a particularly expensive and hard-to-find gift, knowing Mom and Dad wouldn&#8217;t have gotten it for her. &#8220;Santa will get it, Mom,&#8221; she had said at the time, &#8220;because I know you can&#8217;t.&#8221; When she did get the gift, Santa got the thanks, not us. But she made up for it in droves.</p>
<p>She&#8217;s now nine and knows exactly where the gifts come from. But the fun of the season isn&#8217;t lost, since she has lots of younger cousins who fervently believe. Now that she&#8217;s in on the secret, I think it&#8217;s even more enjoyable for her.</p>
<p>Do I still feel terrible for that horrible realization from two years ago? Yes, actually, I do. We had encouraged critical thinking and skepticism in her, but somehow she had come to trust us, her parents, implicitly. It wasn&#8217;t the loss of Santa that bothered me and bothers me still. It was the loss of innocence that I mourned.</p>
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		<title>By: Cobwebs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cobwebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 04:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re doing the Santa thing as well.  I&#039;ve seen it argued that &quot;Santa is a gateway drug to religion,&quot; but I&#039;m not terribly concerned about it.  I think the crucial difference is that we *expect* kids to grow out of believing in Santa Claus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re doing the Santa thing as well.  I&#8217;ve seen it argued that &#8220;Santa is a gateway drug to religion,&#8221; but I&#8217;m not terribly concerned about it.  I think the crucial difference is that we *expect* kids to grow out of believing in Santa Claus.</p>
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		<title>By: C Scully</title>
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		<dc:creator>C Scully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Parents,

Does nobody question why we unremittingly do this?  We all do it because even though we fully comprehend that there is no fat man coming down my non-existant chimney, it was and still is, FUN!  

The time when we would wait anxiously, listening closely for any sound that Santa may be coming was, for many, the highlight of the year.  Whether you put out cookies, or just watch the History Channel&#039;s documentary on the History of Santa Clause, it is still a wonderful time full of magic, hope, joy, and love (also gross commercialism, but that&#039;s another story).   Those alone are worth encouraging, and maybe it makes me selfish, but there are few things sweeter than watching your child&#039;s excitement when something magical happens.

Happy Holidays to All!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parents,</p>
<p>Does nobody question why we unremittingly do this?  We all do it because even though we fully comprehend that there is no fat man coming down my non-existant chimney, it was and still is, FUN!  </p>
<p>The time when we would wait anxiously, listening closely for any sound that Santa may be coming was, for many, the highlight of the year.  Whether you put out cookies, or just watch the History Channel&#8217;s documentary on the History of Santa Clause, it is still a wonderful time full of magic, hope, joy, and love (also gross commercialism, but that&#8217;s another story).   Those alone are worth encouraging, and maybe it makes me selfish, but there are few things sweeter than watching your child&#8217;s excitement when something magical happens.</p>
<p>Happy Holidays to All!</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My daughter is 10. The first time she saw a man dressed as Santa at the mall, she asked who he was (she was around 14 months old). I told her the truth because I remember as a child my father breaking the news to me when I was three and I was devastated, not because Santa was fake, but because my father whom I trusted to always be truthful lied to me. I wasn&#039;t going to go through that with my child. She also knows the truth about the tooth fairy, and the easter bunny. We are raising her atheist to boot. She has a very active imagination and still loves playing make believe, but she also is learning critical thinking skills. Telling her the truth about Santa et al hasn&#039;t ruined her imagination one iota, but it hopefully has given her the knowledge that although others will lie to her, her parents won&#039;t be among them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My daughter is 10. The first time she saw a man dressed as Santa at the mall, she asked who he was (she was around 14 months old). I told her the truth because I remember as a child my father breaking the news to me when I was three and I was devastated, not because Santa was fake, but because my father whom I trusted to always be truthful lied to me. I wasn&#8217;t going to go through that with my child. She also knows the truth about the tooth fairy, and the easter bunny. We are raising her atheist to boot. She has a very active imagination and still loves playing make believe, but she also is learning critical thinking skills. Telling her the truth about Santa et al hasn&#8217;t ruined her imagination one iota, but it hopefully has given her the knowledge that although others will lie to her, her parents won&#8217;t be among them.</p>
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